fireside at July 19th, 2013 12:30 — #1
I think this is no surprise to most.
They had to write down about 900 million on surface rt. PC sales are down thanks to a rotten OS that was designed for a tablet, and no one wants the stupid tablet.
v71 at July 20th, 2013 04:37 — #2
I think that microsoft did a brave move, they bet a lot on that os, but unfortunately they were too much sure of themselves, i agree with you when you say that eveyr device needs a fitting OS. Microsoft showed us that this concept still stays on in these days, they are just paying the consequenses oif their actions.
What i'd like to see from them is to do waht Apple did, ship two different Os one for desktop and one for tablets.
fireside at July 20th, 2013 06:00 — #3
It's not completely Balmer's fault. Desktop devices are lasting longer, which means sales will be lower. We don't have quite the need for processor speed that we used to, especially for desktop applications. It mostly boils down to games and entertainment devices now. Still, I think Ballmer is misreading the market and causing Microsoft more problems than necessary. A tablet OS could have been made cheaper and sold cheaper, making it more competitive with the other devices. People are used to desktop OS's and this type of change on them seems kind of stupid to most. They just use the desktop portion of Windows 8 and try to ignore the big stupid icons that don't really work on a desktop. Microsoft needs to make penetration into tablets and keep it's position with it's console, plus hold onto it's desktop near monopoly. Balmer is doing a poor job at most of those things. It's almost too late on the tablet front now. It's hard say how Xbox one will do. I think it will do all right, but they won't really gain any ground.
Something like Windows 8 could work if they use a camera for input, but they're not promoting anything like that. The truth is, Balmer is head of the company because he was Bill Gates buddy and that's a pretty stupid thing to do.
david_gallagher at July 20th, 2013 07:46 — #4
All I ever wanted was xp with the improvements of the later operating systems. I don't know why they didn't just create a separate division for the mobile platforms. There is nothing I hate more than being told what to do. I now wish I had spent time with OGL than learning dx as with every move they seem to try and trap you into there latest os in able to use the latest feature set. It all seems so restrictive. maybe I'm closed minded but I went with windows 7 over 8 when I last upgraded, windows 8 didn't have anything I wanted only it looked like more work to get an xp like interface to work in. but hey maybe I'm just trapped in the wrong era I don't even want or own a mobile device. Also people are getting more tech savvy I believe and a shiny new number added to something doesn't warrant an upgrade. but I might be alone here. I agree with you fireside the xbox one will probably sell well the consoles always sell well a lot of people I know get both major consoles every generation anyway. It's really the kids who will be limited to a choice of either and really the games will be the true pulling point for what they badgfer their parents for. just what I feel about these things anyway.
fireside at July 20th, 2013 11:51 — #5
That's another mistake they are making, closing off directx from older os's. All it did was to get people to play games on something else instead of their computer. That's why consoles will be as popular as ever. Most people don't want to waste the money on the constant upgrade cycle of computers.
thenut at July 21st, 2013 10:28 — #6
I don't know why analysts and PRs keep touting tablets as the Panacea of the PC market. The tablet was a new trend that some people bought into. It's not that big of a deal. Desktops are more than alive and kicking, the problem is the need to upgrade them is becoming less of a need unless you're into gaming. 5 or 6 years ago Intel released the dual core. For doing e-mails, word documents, and playing simple games it's more than powerful enough. The CPU is becoming less and less of an important factor, especially since most PC gaming performance can be improved simply by replacing your GPU. Smartphones on the other hand are still fairly new and many people demand their phones work faster. So there is much work and profit to be made on that front. However, that too will one day reach its peek and the only reason you would upgrade your smartphone is to play better games. I'm pretty sure by then you will see smartphone sales slump.
I don't think Windows 8 is a terrible OS. I do believe their tile system should have been installed and ran as a normal app rather than integrated into the desktop, but the OS itself is nothing to fret about. Windows 8 is essentially Windows 7, with minute changes like the tile system and overall system improvements. Hardly worth upgrading to. As far as Surface and Windows 7/8 phone goes, well... That was not an innovation. Microsoft is doing exactly what Apple is doing. Being a tyrant and walling off innovation and freedoms by putting a tight leech around the necks of all developers and consumers so that they can make more money off the platform. Unfortunately for Microsoft, there's only room in this industry for one tyrant and Apple was here first. Had Microsoft opened up their platform and offered more choices for developers and consumers, just like they do with the desktop, then I think we would be reading a more successful story today. Alas, it will take Microsoft a few more slumps before they catch on that platforms like Android are preferred, just without the messy fragmentation.
fireside at July 21st, 2013 14:44 — #7
I agree. The more Microsoft copies Apple, the more people will turn to Android or Chrome OS. There is a set of people that want a company to make all their decisions for them, and there is a larger set of people that don't. Apple has the former market tied up. They do it well.
If you used Windows 8 everyday, you wouldn't like it. You have to be careful to keep your mouse out of the upper corners, where many app menu's are, because it has hot spots in those areas which are useless, so it's basically a very annoying Windows 7 without a start menu. You can download a 3rd party app to give you a start menu, but it doesn't feel quite right or work quite right. It's the worst OS I've ever used. The tiles are big, stupid, and annoying and used for advertising Microsoft more than anything else. It's a huge step down from the task bar for changing apps and keeping track of what you are doing. It's like someone who's initials are S.B. decided this little kiddy toy was cool and decided to force everyone to use it. Man alive, Bill, fire your buddy and give him a good compensation package while you still have a company or you won't be the richest man in the world much longer.
rouncer at July 22nd, 2013 00:09 — #8
Im getting a new computer with the new operating system, so im ready to puke when I get it.
tyree at July 22nd, 2013 07:18 — #9
to rouncer, why not simply change the operating system. version 8, isnt the only 64bit operating system
stainless at July 22nd, 2013 11:15 — #10
I read somewhere that there is a lot of money to be made at the moment removing windows 8 and replacing it with windows 7
Anybody else heard anything on this?