fireside at February 21st, 2014 10:47 — #1
It kind of started out I thought Microsoft would be OK, but lately it seems people are preferring Sony. I think it boils down to the nearly useless Kinect. Let's face it, a few dance games and that's about it. Carmack called it the zero button mouse, which I thought was kind of funny. I don't know how Sony's motion system is working out, but I would think it would be a lot more useful on the controller.
reaganm at February 22nd, 2014 01:48 — #2
Its too soon to condemn the console, remember when everyone spelled doom for the 3ds?
stainless at February 22nd, 2014 06:57 — #3
Wait until the price drops, then we will know.
At the moment it's too damn expensive and there aren't enough games out for it.
Plus I don't think the games that are out are a generation better than 360 games. You saw it with the PS2, the games available for the PS2 were not as good as the games coming out on the PS at the same time. It takes developers a while to find the new features of the new console and make good use of them.
Initial games come out and basically all people have done is get their engine working on the new platform. They haven't extended the engine, added anything new. or anything like that.
rouncer at February 22nd, 2014 19:15 — #4
how I look at it, is how the previous generation performed.
xbox 360, i liked it better, but thats because im a programmer, and the generic technologies got into the all the games, and it worked for me, cause i was into specular water reflection and stuff like that. the xbox games seemed more like something I would make?
playstation 2, (its not 3 because i never used a playstation 3) sony, on the other hand, the games had shading on them where i couldnt even figure out how they did it. there were some pretty good cinematic cutscenes too... it was less obvious to me how they shaded the graphics.
But they both looked good... but maybe windows 8 pissing people off had something to do with it... cause its going to be like it...
stainless at February 23rd, 2014 05:34 — #5
I think the stupid Kinect system is one of the problems.
It was optional on the 360, which is fine. If you want people posting youtube videos of you looking like a prick, that's up to you.
But building your game system around it, well that's just Microsoft logic.
Microsoft Logic : Mik.ro.soft Log.ic (Phrase)
Taking something that no one wants and trying to make it a USP for a product. Usually as a result of Apple finding something that people really do want, achieving huge sales volumes, and making lot's of money. Examples include the office paper clip, and Metro.
By the way try this link http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Microsoft , made me laugh.
thenut at February 23rd, 2014 10:31 — #6
If you look at their previous consoles, they both generated roughly 10 million sales / year over the span of their lifetimes. If they can both maintain that quota, then they'll be fine. Based on current reports, Xbox sits at 3.9 million versus PS4's 5.3 million. That's still not much of a difference and both are still on track (with better traction for Sony) to meet their current trends. Now when you look at Nintendo's Wii U, it's sitting on just 5.8 million units sold after being in the market one year longer. Now that's a platform whose future you can safely worry about if you're an investor.
fireside at February 23rd, 2014 18:12 — #7
Yeah, I think it's Kinect. The advertisements for it make everyone look stupid. It also has a latency problem which really wasn't fixed from the last one from the only person I know that tried one. The trouble is, if you use Kinect, you can't use a controller, and it's not good enough as an input device for that. So, you can only make these dance games and a couple steering games.
fireside at February 23rd, 2014 18:16 — #8
They have a new CEO now so hopefully things will get better. They're numbers are probably good enough to not get washed out like Nintendo. The trouble is, if it gets to be a trend where more and more use one system, then it's easy to lose ground fast. If it stays roughly even, then they will be all right.
rouncer at February 24th, 2014 02:42 — #9
hahaha yeh its ok if your female, but some shortish fatish balding programmer doing his groove thing isnt really going to work that well. hahahahahahaha
sol_hsa at February 25th, 2014 05:28 — #10
Not to worry, Stephen Elop of Nokia fame was appointed to head Xbox..
stainless at February 25th, 2014 06:25 — #11
Nokia... the company the went from number one to almost bankrupt..............
They are already trying to increase sales.
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credd2012 at February 28th, 2014 02:34 — #12
They would definitely do better if Kinect was optional. People need to remember the design changed since the original Xbox One inception. The "online-only" fiasco really put a niche in the game. Honestly, I think developers are just being lazy when it comes to unlocking the true potential of the console, citing Sony as "easier". The Xbox One has a great deal of life, the Playstation 4 is the current lovechild of the industry. Sony made a great console, but it hasn't floored me. Supposedly, it has more horsepower, but it's not always the size of the tool that counts. It's how that tool is used.
dazin09 at March 11th, 2014 05:44 — #13
Not to worry, Stephen Elop of Nokia fame was appointed to head Xbox..
Steve Jobs Appointed The Head Of Coca Cola Industries To Be Hes Main Sales Assistant Thingy Thing...And That Turned Out Horribly, Resulting In Good Ol' Stevey To Loose his company for a couple years...Just a quick little thing to relate to...
But without the snitty comments, I fully agree with The Nut 100%...But the way i see it, if you look at the game Call Of Duty, me being an Avid Gamer/Avid Programmer myself, i look at Call Of Duty through my eyes, and all i see is the exact same engine every single game, only with the slightest adjustments. I find this the exact opposite thing that Microsoft (or whoever in Microsoft is developing the X-Box platform) has done, People, Being people, don't like change in most cases, And i find that the X-Box 360, has little to no similarities with the X-Box One, Whether it be the GUI, Hardware or anything like that, People just want to sit down, and enjoy a game, And why would they switch to an entirely different, more expensive platform, when they have one that they are more familiar and comfortable with. To summarize what i just said: Microsoft....Dey Fucked Up. Cheers. Daniel Cottingham, Lead Programmer, Founder Of Endorphic Games.
dim_yimma_h at March 11th, 2014 14:17 — #14
Yes the initial games do not seem interesting to me, I still like Xbox 360 and play it, I see no reason to buy the newer console because I see no clearly better games on it. Not sure if it's a game problem or the marketing not reaching me.
dim_yimma_h at March 11th, 2014 14:25 — #15
Yeah! Wait do you see it as good or not? (You probably know him better more than I do = )
All I know is they made some big mistakes during the first marketing of Xbox One.
- Requiring Kinect.
- Requiring online connectivity.
- Locking out second hand bought games.
I think they resolved some of that though, but it could seem promising with a new face.
poetepoet at April 15th, 2014 06:28 — #16
I have several points to raise about the subject.
I think we all agree that first impressions are everything, right? Then allow me to take you back to E3 2013. Both Sony and Microsoft announce their new consoles. Sony bombards the fans with everything they want to hear. They basically get an insane improved version of their beloved Playstation 3. They get better Playstation Network services, a whole selection of games, exclusive and shared alike, Bungie's Destiny will release earlier on Playstation 4 than other platforms and much more. The only "negative" aspect is that PSN Plus will be mandatory, which means a monthly subscription fee. Considering Microsoft has had this policy for years, there's not much to complain and not a lot of people did. Then there is Microsoft. DRM, always online requirement, forced Kinect connection already were a big issue. Then they announce a lot of cool stuff but one thing remains remarkably quiet. Games. The pillar of the console is left out when they announce sports, Skype, video on demand, Indie support and more. Finally, they come to the all important section. All the consumer gets is a reveal trailer for Halo, Forza, a couple more and then, silence, presentation over. Disappointment for most gamers, and a bitter aftertaste. Sony just gave Microsoft a massive kick in the rear, and nothing Microsoft can do to retaliate.
The Xbox One lacks a certain appeal when it comes to launch titles. According to many, the only noteworthy title was Ryse: Son of Rome. End of list. Pretty short, for most people. It has since been followed by the release of Titanfall which has captured the hearts of many, but that does indeed give a slow start to sales. And the start is, as is with many races, a crucial point.
Most people agree, that the Playstation 4 has a better performance than the Xbox One overall. That is probably true. What surprises the gamers and consumers after that, is that the price tag is a whopping 500\$, and €500 in Europe, even though the Euro is stronger than the Dollar. A bitter pill for many.
A lot of decisions made by Microsoft leave the consumer with question marks above their heads. Why not have a way for backwards compatibility? Sure, the core technology is different, but now it seems there are ways to emulate. Why straight up sink your own boat by shouting that you will not go back? Many gamers have stacks of games they want to play even after switching consoles. A couple of employees made fools of themselves, one example being Adam Orth on Twitter asking why on Earth someone would live in a rural area with less fast internet. That isn't good publicity. And lastly, the various release dates. The Xbox One has now been released in the US for a while, as well as in the UK, but the rest of Europe can wait, due to "Kinect translation". That resulted in Europe not joining the release of Titanfall, and as it seems, the One will only release in September, with fancy region locks, probably resulting in a console locked to a language that the user might not want. For English speaking people living abroad, that can be a real issue. A short example is Halo 4 being language locked to the country it is sold in, in my case the Netherlands, making my copy being in Dutch, whereas I always set my devices in English. I speak Dutch no problem, but I still don't like it being in Dutch nonetheless. Limiting customers to the point of frustration does not help sales at all.
Even though I believe it will lose it's "console war" with Playstation, I am still buying the Xbox One. Most of the people I play with acquired one (they are American) and I've spent a lot of my time on my 360 without trouble, so I'll stick to Microsoft for now. Making an unbiased decision took a long time, but I think it's the right one for me.
stainless at April 15th, 2014 07:21 — #17
500 Euros? Where did you get that price?
In the UK it launched at £699. It did quickly depreciate though. Now it's around £400 (cheapest I've seen is £379) and still falling.
My son bought it at launch, with every launch game, spare controller, t-shirt, cuddly toy, etc....
Spent an absolute fortune.
We went around to see him a couple of weeks ago and he put it on to show us. Of course with four extra people in his front room Kinect failed to work at all, which pissed him off, then the voice rec went down....
I was still laughing when we got to the pub.
poetepoet at April 19th, 2014 05:50 — #18
I took the price from my retailer here in the Netherlands, bol.com. The biggest point is that companies always do the same price in Dollars and in Euros, which is pretty off.